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	<title>Comments for DonnaM</title>
	<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog</link>
	<description>Information architecture, interaction design and much more</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Reducing the learning curve by Suffian</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/lower-learning-curve#comment-8704</link>
		<dc:creator>Suffian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/lower-learning-curve#comment-8704</guid>
		<description>Hi Donna, it's such a coincidence that you posted about this. I was doing research on car websites just a few weeks ago! I like what Saab did and I think the trend of making the products more of a visual navigation element is a good one; why read marketing hype when you can just point and click the cars that you like, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Donna, it&#8217;s such a coincidence that you posted about this. I was doing research on car websites just a few weeks ago! I like what Saab did and I think the trend of making the products more of a visual navigation element is a good one; why read marketing hype when you can just point and click the cars that you like, right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How many items in a navigation bar by Donna Spencer</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-6702</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-6702</guid>
		<description>@Dan - that's a great way to think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan - that&#8217;s a great way to think about it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramsay/cluetrain mashup by Donna Spencer</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-6701</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-6701</guid>
		<description>@Dan - you are quite mad ;) The cluetrain theses do read like that, but the book does have a lot more depth. I liked it then and do so now, but I've never salivated over it;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan - you are quite mad <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> The cluetrain theses do read like that, but the book does have a lot more depth. I liked it then and do so now, but I&#8217;ve never salivated over it;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramsay/cluetrain mashup by Dan Willis</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-6666</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-6666</guid>
		<description>Donna, I winced when I saw the Cluetrain Manifesto reference. When it first came out, I thought it was a load of crap. Right before the Internet bubble burst in the U.S., people were salivating over the 95 theses, but to me it always sounded like this dialog from the movie Mystery Men (about a group of superhero-wannabes):

Sphinx: He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions.
Furious: What??
Sphinx: Patience, my son. To summon your power for the conflict 
to come, you must first have power over that which conflicts you.
Furious: Okay, am I the only one who finds these sayings just a 
little bit formulaic? "If you want to push something down, you have 
to pull it up." "If you want to go left, you have to go right." It's--
Sphinx: Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to 
master your rage--
Furious: Your rage will become your master? That's what you were 
gonna say, right? Right?
Sphinx: ...Not necessarily.

But because I love you Donna and value your opinion, I took my first look at the theses in a few years and I have to admit that looking at them in light of the emergence of social media, they age well. I still can't stop myself from mocking them after reading the first fifty or so, but that's just me. Now I still don't know f**k-all about Gordon Ramsay, but thanks for melting a bit of the cranky ice that is my brain ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, I winced when I saw the Cluetrain Manifesto reference. When it first came out, I thought it was a load of crap. Right before the Internet bubble burst in the U.S., people were salivating over the 95 theses, but to me it always sounded like this dialog from the movie Mystery Men (about a group of superhero-wannabes):</p>
<p>Sphinx: He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions.<br />
Furious: What??<br />
Sphinx: Patience, my son. To summon your power for the conflict<br />
to come, you must first have power over that which conflicts you.<br />
Furious: Okay, am I the only one who finds these sayings just a<br />
little bit formulaic? &#8220;If you want to push something down, you have<br />
to pull it up.&#8221; &#8220;If you want to go left, you have to go right.&#8221; It&#8217;s&#8211;<br />
Sphinx: Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to<br />
master your rage&#8211;<br />
Furious: Your rage will become your master? That&#8217;s what you were<br />
gonna say, right? Right?<br />
Sphinx: &#8230;Not necessarily.</p>
<p>But because I love you Donna and value your opinion, I took my first look at the theses in a few years and I have to admit that looking at them in light of the emergence of social media, they age well. I still can&#8217;t stop myself from mocking them after reading the first fifty or so, but that&#8217;s just me. Now I still don&#8217;t know f**k-all about Gordon Ramsay, but thanks for melting a bit of the cranky ice that is my brain &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on How many items in a navigation bar by Dan Willis</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-6663</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-6663</guid>
		<description>I don't want to sound like a smartass (or whatever the Australian equivalent is), but the perfect number for items in a navbar is ZERO and each item added after that is a compromise. Zero items requires zero interpretation by the user and every item after that requires increasingly more complex interpretation. I know zero items isn't practical (or politically realistic), but I think it's worth thinking of the challenge as "what do I absolutely need to add to this list?" rather than "how can I whittle down this list?" 
Having said that, I agree with you Donna that long lists can work just fine (and that users proving it in testing is a powerful way to sell it internally). The key to long lists is the speed with which a user can ignore everything else other than what they're looking for. If we can make it more about ignoring than interpreting, we have a better chance for success. (For example, if you put an alphabetical list of a hundred names in front of me and my goal is to find my own name, it is an exercise in ignoring the 99 items that aren't my name.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound like a smartass (or whatever the Australian equivalent is), but the perfect number for items in a navbar is ZERO and each item added after that is a compromise. Zero items requires zero interpretation by the user and every item after that requires increasingly more complex interpretation. I know zero items isn&#8217;t practical (or politically realistic), but I think it&#8217;s worth thinking of the challenge as &#8220;what do I absolutely need to add to this list?&#8221; rather than &#8220;how can I whittle down this list?&#8221;<br />
Having said that, I agree with you Donna that long lists can work just fine (and that users proving it in testing is a powerful way to sell it internally). The key to long lists is the speed with which a user can ignore everything else other than what they&#8217;re looking for. If we can make it more about ignoring than interpreting, we have a better chance for success. (For example, if you put an alphabetical list of a hundred names in front of me and my goal is to find my own name, it is an exercise in ignoring the 99 items that aren&#8217;t my name.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramsay/cluetrain mashup by Marie-Laure</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-6414</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie-Laure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-6414</guid>
		<description>Yes, good post Donna.

What's interesting, talking of authenticity, the owners of at a local cafe recently went to see Gordon Ramsay in Sydney do a cookery show and queued with others for hours to get books signed and it does seem as if G. himself is authentic and honest. I wonder if that is a major contribution to his popularity? (QED Cluetrain ;-)
I've just lost a terminology battle at work - I now have to refer to library users as 'clients' on the web site...I had another look at Cluetrain - thanks for the reminder about it! - and giggled to myself as I was reminded about the TQM (Total Quality Management) phase and how in the UK at least, companies ended up saying they were 'TQM' organisations often enough to believe it and I feel the same with 'client' ... "yes, we'll be providing a better service to you, because you are now our clients not library members."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, good post Donna.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting, talking of authenticity, the owners of at a local cafe recently went to see Gordon Ramsay in Sydney do a cookery show and queued with others for hours to get books signed and it does seem as if G. himself is authentic and honest. I wonder if that is a major contribution to his popularity? (QED Cluetrain <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;ve just lost a terminology battle at work - I now have to refer to library users as &#8216;clients&#8217; on the web site&#8230;I had another look at Cluetrain - thanks for the reminder about it! - and giggled to myself as I was reminded about the TQM (Total Quality Management) phase and how in the UK at least, companies ended up saying they were &#8216;TQM&#8217; organisations often enough to believe it and I feel the same with &#8216;client&#8217; &#8230; &#8220;yes, we&#8217;ll be providing a better service to you, because you are now our clients not library members.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On why I gave up consulting by Donna Spencer</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2006/on-why-i-gave-up-consulting#comment-6112</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2006/on-why-i-gave-up-consulting#comment-6112</guid>
		<description>Alan - I find freelance work mainly through personal contacts. At the beginning I answered a couple of advertisements for short contracts, but haven't done that for a while.

I would never to identify something not working and tell someone about it - that just wouldn't suit me. And I'd be annoyed if I were the client - often clients know there is something wrong but there are things stopping them. But I do know people who have used that approach and had it work - it just wouldn't suit me. I'd write a polite (and short) email to let them know what you do and that you are available - it won't hurt and might come just at the right time for someone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan - I find freelance work mainly through personal contacts. At the beginning I answered a couple of advertisements for short contracts, but haven&#8217;t done that for a while.</p>
<p>I would never to identify something not working and tell someone about it - that just wouldn&#8217;t suit me. And I&#8217;d be annoyed if I were the client - often clients know there is something wrong but there are things stopping them. But I do know people who have used that approach and had it work - it just wouldn&#8217;t suit me. I&#8217;d write a polite (and short) email to let them know what you do and that you are available - it won&#8217;t hurt and might come just at the right time for someone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On why I gave up consulting by Alan</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2006/on-why-i-gave-up-consulting#comment-6094</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2006/on-why-i-gave-up-consulting#comment-6094</guid>
		<description>Hi Donna,

Best of luck to you when going freelance. It's important to enjoy what you're doing. 

I'm in the process of setting up my own consultancy after completing a PhD in HCI and a few years working in the area afterwards. My question is how do you get a good client list? My previous work involved one-off projects (often collaborations with large organisations) but I'm more interested in small-scale work which makes my previous colleagues no use for further work. I've noticed a few websites that aren't working as well as they should and I wondered if it was worth finding out the department responsible for running the website, contacting them with a few pointers and maybe a brief report, and telling them that I can do good work for them (ie, reduce complaints, increase turnover etc). Would this work?

All the best,

Alan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Donna,</p>
<p>Best of luck to you when going freelance. It&#8217;s important to enjoy what you&#8217;re doing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the process of setting up my own consultancy after completing a PhD in HCI and a few years working in the area afterwards. My question is how do you get a good client list? My previous work involved one-off projects (often collaborations with large organisations) but I&#8217;m more interested in small-scale work which makes my previous colleagues no use for further work. I&#8217;ve noticed a few websites that aren&#8217;t working as well as they should and I wondered if it was worth finding out the department responsible for running the website, contacting them with a few pointers and maybe a brief report, and telling them that I can do good work for them (ie, reduce complaints, increase turnover etc). Would this work?</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Alan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How many items in a navigation bar by Man with no blog &#187; 7 Score and 10 List Items?</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-5811</link>
		<dc:creator>Man with no blog &#187; 7 Score and 10 List Items?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-5811</guid>
		<description>[...] how do you tell the client that maybe that new items are a little much, now Donna Spencer ponders this and when is a navigation list too long. As we know the 7 is enough rule is all very [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on How many items in a navigation bar by Tentándole :: Número de items en los menús de navegación :: June :: 2008</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-5748</link>
		<dc:creator>Tentándole :: Número de items en los menús de navegación :: June :: 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-5748</guid>
		<description>[...] ha gustado el post de Donna sobre el número ideal de items en los menús de navegación, las listas cortas y largas y la cita [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ha gustado el post de Donna sobre el número ideal de items en los menús de navegación, las listas cortas y largas y la cita [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How many items in a navigation bar by Pat</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-5651</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/navigation-length#comment-5651</guid>
		<description>Good points Donna, if only to help reinforce the fact that navigation is not as simple as many people think (an issue that I come across frequently).
Andrew's right also, gone are the days when you could simply state your expert opinion&#8212;or quote some obscure scientific law&#8212;and it would be taken on board. On the balance this is probably a good thing, but it does make us work harder when it comes to things like "how long should the nav be?".
I guess you can't beat usability testing to validate your decisions, but as well all know that's no guarantee of success if it's not done properly. (Thanks for CBCE by the way :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Donna, if only to help reinforce the fact that navigation is not as simple as many people think (an issue that I come across frequently).<br />
Andrew&#8217;s right also, gone are the days when you could simply state your expert opinion&mdash;or quote some obscure scientific law&mdash;and it would be taken on board. On the balance this is probably a good thing, but it does make us work harder when it comes to things like &#8220;how long should the nav be?&#8221;.<br />
I guess you can&#8217;t beat usability testing to validate your decisions, but as well all know that&#8217;s no guarantee of success if it&#8217;s not done properly. (Thanks for CBCE by the way <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramsay/cluetrain mashup by Donna Spencer</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5649</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5649</guid>
		<description>@Ruth Cluetrain is great. It is old-ish now but still really relevant to everything web and social media. I keep losing copies by giving them to people! Andrew has a copy that you can borrow as long as it comes back ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ruth Cluetrain is great. It is old-ish now but still really relevant to everything web and social media. I keep losing copies by giving them to people! Andrew has a copy that you can borrow as long as it comes back <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramsay/cluetrain mashup by Ruth Ellison</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5648</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5648</guid>
		<description>How can I not comment when there's a blog post on Gordon Ramsay? ;) Thanks for the link to the barcamp presentation.

I haven't heard of the Cluetrain Manifesto before! I've just had a look at the website and the book sounds fascinating. I'll add it to my to-read list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can I not comment when there&#8217;s a blog post on Gordon Ramsay? <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Thanks for the link to the barcamp presentation.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard of the Cluetrain Manifesto before! I&#8217;ve just had a look at the website and the book sounds fascinating. I&#8217;ll add it to my to-read list.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramsay/cluetrain mashup by Donna Spencer</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5609</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5609</guid>
		<description>@Peter - Ruth did an awesome presentation at BarCamp Canberra earlier this year on exactly that topic: http://www.ruthellison.com/2008/04/20/gordon-ramsay-a-guerrilla-ux-consultant/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter - Ruth did an awesome presentation at BarCamp Canberra earlier this year on exactly that topic: <a href="http://www.ruthellison.com/2008/04/20/gordon-ramsay-a-guerrilla-ux-consultant/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ruthellison.com/2008/04/20/gordon-ramsay-a-guerrilla-ux-consultant/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramsay/cluetrain mashup by Peter</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5572</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2008/cluetrain-ramsay#comment-5572</guid>
		<description>I totally agree. Similarly, I always have to think about consulting when I watch Ramsay Gordon. Telling the clients to keep it simple, keep it focused, and them wanting to go for the flashy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree. Similarly, I always have to think about consulting when I watch Ramsay Gordon. Telling the clients to keep it simple, keep it focused, and them wanting to go for the flashy stuff.</p>
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