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	<title>Comments on: Regular folks searching</title>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi donna, is very interesting your research, I am doing a research about the usability in forums, specifically in virtual learning enviroments, please if you can give me any help in my research would be great. Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi donna, is very interesting your research, I am doing a research about the usability in forums, specifically in virtual learning enviroments, please if you can give me any help in my research would be great. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Steinbach</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Steinbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it&#039;s a good thing that users adapt to the Google model of search. The fact that entering more words lead to less results (or for the boolean folks: make &quot;AND&quot; the default operator) is the only simple way to make a result more specific that I can imagine.

The opposite way, having more terms yield more result entries (OR being the default operator), makes it very difficult to get highly relevant results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s a good thing that users adapt to the Google model of search. The fact that entering more words lead to less results (or for the boolean folks: make &#8220;AND&#8221; the default operator) is the only simple way to make a result more specific that I can imagine.</p>
<p>The opposite way, having more terms yield more result entries (OR being the default operator), makes it very difficult to get highly relevant results.</p>
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		<title>By: bj</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm, actually I tried to explain both the system and the user&#039;s mental model...

Anyway, the core message from me would be: I think the user&#039;s are right - who cares for the system model? :)

It&#039;s still interesting though...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, actually I tried to explain both the system and the user&#8217;s mental model&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, the core message from me would be: I think the user&#8217;s are right &#8211; who cares for the system model? <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s still interesting though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bjorn - that&#039;s the whole point of my post. They expected that &lt;strong&gt;more&lt;/strong&gt; words would give &lt;strong&gt;fewer&lt;/strong&gt; results. I observed, questioned and probed, and that is exactly what they expected to happen.

Your explanation is the system model, mine is the user mental model. There is a mismatch, which was what is interesting.

The system wasn&#039;t a public search engine with millions of results and they knew it. It had a reasonable set of results and it would have been possible to check throught the entire result set. More words &gt;&gt; fewer results!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bjorn &#8211; that&#8217;s the whole point of my post. They expected that <strong>more</strong> words would give <strong>fewer</strong> results. I observed, questioned and probed, and that is exactly what they expected to happen.</p>
<p>Your explanation is the system model, mine is the user mental model. There is a mismatch, which was what is interesting.</p>
<p>The system wasn&#8217;t a public search engine with millions of results and they knew it. It had a reasonable set of results and it would have been possible to check throught the entire result set. More words >> fewer results!</p>
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		<title>By: bj</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting indeed.

I would think that people don&#039;t necessary expect fewer results if they use more words in their search but better results further at the top of the result list. Like if I add the search term &quot;Australia&quot; to my search (which I actually do sometimes...), the total number of results might be higher than with just the single term, but to find what I&#039;m looking for I&#039;d only have to look at the first page. Now without the additional &quot;Australia&quot;, I probably would have to weed through a few result pages until I find what I was looking for (if I find it at all).

So what I really want to say is, that I think people actually get it right if they think more words provide less results - after all, who really looks at all these 267,385 results anyway? ;) So it&#039;s more like: more search terms provide less results that I have to weed through until I have found what I was looking for.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting indeed.</p>
<p>I would think that people don&#8217;t necessary expect fewer results if they use more words in their search but better results further at the top of the result list. Like if I add the search term &#8220;Australia&#8221; to my search (which I actually do sometimes&#8230;), the total number of results might be higher than with just the single term, but to find what I&#8217;m looking for I&#8217;d only have to look at the first page. Now without the additional &#8220;Australia&#8221;, I probably would have to weed through a few result pages until I find what I was looking for (if I find it at all).</p>
<p>So what I really want to say is, that I think people actually get it right if they think more words provide less results &#8211; after all, who really looks at all these 267,385 results anyway? <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  So it&#8217;s more like: more search terms provide less results that I have to weed through until I have found what I was looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kraal</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kraal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my moments acting as a moderator on a discussion forum with a lot of &quot;regular people&quot; as users, I&#039;d say that those findings are reasonable.

People have been spoilt by Google or conditioned by Google to think that search works in a particular way.

Often a user will say &quot;I&#039;ve searched for X, but I can&#039;t find anything&quot; or &quot;I&#039;ve searched for Y but I get too many results&quot;. The problem is, lilke you say, they expect the search to be as smart as they are and know what they want (...because that&#039;s how Google seems to work? I wonder how people think Google works?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my moments acting as a moderator on a discussion forum with a lot of &#8220;regular people&#8221; as users, I&#8217;d say that those findings are reasonable.</p>
<p>People have been spoilt by Google or conditioned by Google to think that search works in a particular way.</p>
<p>Often a user will say &#8220;I&#8217;ve searched for X, but I can&#8217;t find anything&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;ve searched for Y but I get too many results&#8221;. The problem is, lilke you say, they expect the search to be as smart as they are and know what they want (&#8230;because that&#8217;s how Google seems to work? I wonder how people think Google works?)</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think the extra term/s is a result of getting so many results back in public search engines. It was interesting seeing that people were really thinking of the extra words as a &#039;filter&#039;. i.e. adding &#039;Australia&#039; would *only* give Australian content...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think the extra term/s is a result of getting so many results back in public search engines. It was interesting seeing that people were really thinking of the extra words as a &#8216;filter&#8217;. i.e. adding &#8216;Australia&#8217; would *only* give Australian content&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching/comment-page-1#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds really interesting Donna.  Do you think the issue of an extra term providing fewer results is due to the Google effect?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds really interesting Donna.  Do you think the issue of an extra term providing fewer results is due to the Google effect?</p>
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