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	<title>Comments on: Regular folks searching</title>
	<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching</link>
	<description>Information architecture, interaction design and much more</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-511</guid>
		<description>Hi donna, is very interesting your research, I am doing a research about the usability in forums, specifically in virtual learning enviroments, please if you can give me any help in my research would be great. Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi donna, is very interesting your research, I am doing a research about the usability in forums, specifically in virtual learning enviroments, please if you can give me any help in my research would be great. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Steinbach</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Steinbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-510</guid>
		<description>I think that it's a good thing that users adapt to the Google model of search. The fact that entering more words lead to less results (or for the boolean folks: make "AND" the default operator) is the only simple way to make a result more specific that I can imagine.

The opposite way, having more terms yield more result entries (OR being the default operator), makes it very difficult to get highly relevant results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s a good thing that users adapt to the Google model of search. The fact that entering more words lead to less results (or for the boolean folks: make &#8220;AND&#8221; the default operator) is the only simple way to make a result more specific that I can imagine.</p>
<p>The opposite way, having more terms yield more result entries (OR being the default operator), makes it very difficult to get highly relevant results.</p>
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		<title>By: bj</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-509</guid>
		<description>hmm, actually I tried to explain both the system and the user's mental model...

Anyway, the core message from me would be: I think the user's are right - who cares for the system model? :)

It's still interesting though...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, actually I tried to explain both the system and the user&#8217;s mental model&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, the core message from me would be: I think the user&#8217;s are right - who cares for the system model? <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It&#8217;s still interesting though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-508</guid>
		<description>Bjorn - that's the whole point of my post. They expected that &lt;strong&gt;more&lt;/strong&gt; words would give &lt;strong&gt;fewer&lt;/strong&gt; results. I observed, questioned and probed, and that is exactly what they expected to happen.

Your explanation is the system model, mine is the user mental model. There is a mismatch, which was what is interesting.

The system wasn't a public search engine with millions of results and they knew it. It had a reasonable set of results and it would have been possible to check throught the entire result set. More words &gt;&gt; fewer results!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bjorn - that&#8217;s the whole point of my post. They expected that <strong>more</strong> words would give <strong>fewer</strong> results. I observed, questioned and probed, and that is exactly what they expected to happen.</p>
<p>Your explanation is the system model, mine is the user mental model. There is a mismatch, which was what is interesting.</p>
<p>The system wasn&#8217;t a public search engine with millions of results and they knew it. It had a reasonable set of results and it would have been possible to check throught the entire result set. More words >> fewer results!</p>
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		<title>By: bj</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-507</guid>
		<description>Very interesting indeed.

I would think that people don't necessary expect fewer results if they use more words in their search but better results further at the top of the result list. Like if I add the search term "Australia" to my search (which I actually do sometimes...), the total number of results might be higher than with just the single term, but to find what I'm looking for I'd only have to look at the first page. Now without the additional "Australia", I probably would have to weed through a few result pages until I find what I was looking for (if I find it at all).

So what I really want to say is, that I think people actually get it right if they think more words provide less results - after all, who really looks at all these 267,385 results anyway? ;) So it's more like: more search terms provide less results that I have to weed through until I have found what I was looking for.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting indeed.</p>
<p>I would think that people don&#8217;t necessary expect fewer results if they use more words in their search but better results further at the top of the result list. Like if I add the search term &#8220;Australia&#8221; to my search (which I actually do sometimes&#8230;), the total number of results might be higher than with just the single term, but to find what I&#8217;m looking for I&#8217;d only have to look at the first page. Now without the additional &#8220;Australia&#8221;, I probably would have to weed through a few result pages until I find what I was looking for (if I find it at all).</p>
<p>So what I really want to say is, that I think people actually get it right if they think more words provide less results - after all, who really looks at all these 267,385 results anyway? <img src='http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> So it&#8217;s more like: more search terms provide less results that I have to weed through until I have found what I was looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kraal</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kraal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-506</guid>
		<description>In my moments acting as a moderator on a discussion forum with a lot of "regular people" as users, I'd say that those findings are reasonable.

People have been spoilt by Google or conditioned by Google to think that search works in a particular way.

Often a user will say "I've searched for X, but I can't find anything" or "I've searched for Y but I get too many results". The problem is, lilke you say, they expect the search to be as smart as they are and know what they want (...because that's how Google seems to work? I wonder how people think Google works?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my moments acting as a moderator on a discussion forum with a lot of &#8220;regular people&#8221; as users, I&#8217;d say that those findings are reasonable.</p>
<p>People have been spoilt by Google or conditioned by Google to think that search works in a particular way.</p>
<p>Often a user will say &#8220;I&#8217;ve searched for X, but I can&#8217;t find anything&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;ve searched for Y but I get too many results&#8221;. The problem is, lilke you say, they expect the search to be as smart as they are and know what they want (&#8230;because that&#8217;s how Google seems to work? I wonder how people think Google works?)</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-505</guid>
		<description>Yeah, I think the extra term/s is a result of getting so many results back in public search engines. It was interesting seeing that people were really thinking of the extra words as a 'filter'. i.e. adding 'Australia' would *only* give Australian content...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think the extra term/s is a result of getting so many results back in public search engines. It was interesting seeing that people were really thinking of the extra words as a &#8216;filter&#8217;. i.e. adding &#8216;Australia&#8217; would *only* give Australian content&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://maadmob.net/donna/blog/2005/regular-folks-searching#comment-504</guid>
		<description>Sounds really interesting Donna.  Do you think the issue of an extra term providing fewer results is due to the Google effect?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds really interesting Donna.  Do you think the issue of an extra term providing fewer results is due to the Google effect?</p>
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